>>> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS A PRESENTATION OF WBGU TV.

BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY.

>> IN SCIENCE YOU MEASURE WHAT YOU DO OR YOU CAN DO IT OVER.

IN ARTS YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

I NEVER CALLED MYSELF A SCIENTIST OF AN ARTIST.

I'M PROBABLY A DESIGNER CRAFTSMAN.

IF YOU DIDN'T TURN THE PIPE IT WOULD FALL ON THE FLOOR.

>> ON HIS FARM NEAR GRAND RAPIDS, OHIO, DOMINIC STILL MANUFACTURES GLASS BY HAND.

>> PUT THE AIR IN THE PIPE AND THE AIR HEATS UP AND IT BLOWS OUT THERE ITSELF.

HE BEGAN TO WORK WITH GLASS AS AN ART FORM IN 1962 AFTER NEARLY 35 YEARS AS AN ENGINEER IN THE GLASS INDUSTRY.

>> HE HOLDS OVER 55 PATENTS FOR GLASS AND GLASS RELATED PROCESSES.

YET GLASS ALONE IS NOT HIS ONLY MEDIUM.

UNTIL 1965 HE WAS VICE PRESIDENT OF JOHNS MILLS FIBERGLASS.

>> I THINK DEEP DOWN MY FIRST LOVE IS RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT COULD BE ANYTHING LIKE GLASS OR SPECIAL PURPOSE OR SPECIAL USES FOR GLASS.

>> SPENDING ALL THESE YEARS IN THE BOTTLE HOUSE, WHAT ELSE WHAT YOU MAKE?

AND BOTTLE FORMS ARE NICE.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THEM TO YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING IN THEM.

IN THE OLD DAYS, WE USED TO GO OUT AND HELP START THE MACHINES AT 12:00 MIDNIGHT.

AND GET THE MACHINES WARMED UP AND THE SHIP CAME ON AT 7:00 OR WHATEVER THE TIME WAS STARTING TIME.

YOU COULDN'T DO THAT TODAY.

THE UNION WOULDN'T LET YOU MESS AROUND WITH THE MACHINES.

BUT IN THOSE DAYS TIMES WERE HARD AND I WOULD RUN IT ONE DAY A WEEK TO PREVENT OVER TIME OR PLAYING TIME AND A HALF.

YOU COULD DO THAT TODAY.

THIS IS A WHOLE NEW BALLGAME.

I COULDN'T DO WHAT I USED TO DO.

I PRETTY MUCH DID WHAT I WANTED TO IN A FACTORY BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT.

WHEN I WAS IN THE FACTORY ITSELF.

IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME.

IT WAS HARD TIMES AND YOU COULD DO MORE THINGS AND THE UNIONS WEREN'T AS STRONG AS THEY WERE NOW.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

I THINK THE UNIONS SERVED A GOOD PURPOSE PROVIDED THEY DON'T GET CARRIED AWAY.

THE WAY THE FORM CHANGES AS HE SWINGS IT.

AND WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH HOT GLASS.

I WANTED TO SAY WHY I THINK PEOPLE MAY PREFER MIXED GAS IT.

AND THAT IS MIX IS IN GLASS AS HE MAKES IT.

THE COLORS ARE HIS OWN.

AND THEN WHEN HE MAKES IT.

HE IS TRYING TO MAKE A PIECE OF GLASS THAT DOES THE MOST FOR THE COLOR THAT IS IN IT.

AND THE COLOR DOES A GREAT DEAL FOR THE GLASS.

SO IT ALL WORKS TOGETHER AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING UNUSUAL.

AND WHEN THE CRAFTSMAN IS IN THE PIECE, SO TO SPEAK, THEN IT BECOMES INDIVIDUAL AND THEN IF IT IS BEAUTIFUL WHAT MORE CAN YOU WANT?

>> I'M SORT OF AGAINST USING MIRRORS BECAUSE YOU CAN DO ALL KINDS OF TRICKS USING MIRRORS.

HAVING THE PIECE DO IT WITHOUT MIRRORS I'LL GO FOR.

>> IT IS WHAT HE CAN DO WITH GLASS ITSELF TO SHOW WHAT GLASS WILL DO.

THERE ARE MANY PROPERTIES OF GLASS PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL AND OPTICAL.

YOU CAN DO MORE THINGS WITH GLASS THAN ANY OTHER MATERIAL.

IT CAN BE OPAQUE TO INFRA RED TO ULTRAVIOLET AND TRANCELUSCENT.

USUALLY YOU THINK OF GLASS MADE OUT OF SAND SODA ASH AND LIME.

BUT YOU CAN MAKE GLASS WITHOUT THE USE OF SAND YOU CAN MAKE GLASSES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY VARIOUS LIGHT YOU CAN MAKE A FLASS THAT IS OPAQUE TO INFRA RED OR OPAQUE TO ULTRAVIOLET THAT YOU CAN DO TRICKS BY THE WAY BY CHANGING LIGHT THAT YOU COULD HARDLY TELL IT.

WHILE YOU WERE WATCHING IT, IT WOULD CHANGE COLORS.

BECAUSE IT ACTS AS A FILLER.

ART IS ART AND TECHNOLOGY IS TECHNOLOGY BUT TECHNOLOGY COMES BEFORE ART.

IT IS THE SCIENTIST THAT LEADS THE WAY.

AND ART IS ALWAYS BEHIND.

IT IS NONSENSE ON THE PART OF THE ARTIST.

THEY DON'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN TECHNOLOGY IT IS A BAD WORD.

BUT THEY NEED IT AND THEY WANT IT BUT THEY DON'T WANT IT UNDER THAT NAME.

THEY WANT TO HAND ME OUT SORT OF THING.

YOU CAN'T BE TOOLS.

THEY SAVE TIME.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT IS MUCH OF A TRICK TO MAKE A BLOCK FOR BLOCKING GLASS.

BUT IT IS EASIER IF YOU HAVE THE TOOL TO DO IT.

IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

TOOLS BECOMES PART OF YOU.

ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT IS USEFUL.

IT IS WHEN YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING.

I WAS ALWAYS IMPRESSED WHAT WENT ON AROUND A COAL MINE SUCH AS A TOOL PRESS AND AN ANVIL AND WHAT YOU COULD POUND OUT WITH IRON AND WHAT YOU COULD DO IF I HAD A LATHE AND WHAT YOU COULD DO AT MACHINE SHOPS WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH THINGS BEFORE THE MINES AND WORKING WITH AN INSTRUMENT COMPANY.

I FIND OUT THAT A HACK SAW DOES A BETTER JOB THAN A HACK SAW AND MILLING ATTACHMENTS THAT YOU COULD BUILD ANYTHING YOU WANT IF YOU HAVE THE METAL TO DO IT WITH.

THESE ARE THE BASIC TOOLS FOR WORKING METAL AND WHEN PEOPLE COME IN HERE THEY ASK ME.

DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THIS TO WORK ON GLASS?

I SAID NO YOU DON'T.

I HAPPEN TO LIKE MACHINERY AND SOME OF MY FRIENDS HAVE HORSES.

AND THESE THINGS DON'T EAT UNLESS THEY ARE WORKING.

AND I LOVE TOOLS.

THE HOUSE MIGHT HAVE A HOLE IN THE ROOF AND MAYBE BIRDS DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE DIRECTION TO FLY BUT I STILL HAVE A SHOP I THINK.

♪♪ >> WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE IT IS THAT THE TRAIN IS FOR A CRAFTSMAN THAT PEOPLE ARE BENEFIT WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR R SO?

>> I THINK IN THE FIRST PLACE WE DON'T HAVE APPRENTICESHIPS LIKE WE USED TO IN THE OLD DAYS.

IF YOU WANTED TO LEARN HOW TO BE A CABINET MAKER IT TOOK YOU SEVERAL YEARS.

IF YOU WANTED TO BE A INSTRUMENT MAKER, OR ANY OF THE TRADES, NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

IT IS BECAUSE OF SO MANY TOOLS THAT WE HAVE THAT MAKES IT SO THAT THE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE SKILL.

IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD LOOK LIKE MUCH OF ANYTHING.

IT WOULDN'T HAVE THE PATIENCE AND THE TIME.

IF THEY DID.

IT WOULD BE TOO EXPENSIVE IF THEY WERE CHARGING BY THE HOUR.

IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG TO LEARN TO RUN A MACHINE.

>> ELIZABETH, LIBBY, WIFE, COMPANION AND SUPPORTER FOR MORE THAN 31 YEARS.

>> A YOUNG CA CRAFTSMAN BELIEVEU ARE PLAYING CATCH UP BALL.

THEY THINK THAT THEY HAVE GOT TO BE READY IN TWO MONTHS WHEN THEY SHOULD BE TAKING TWO YEARS.

THE TWO MONTHS HAVE PASSED AND THEY THINK THEY ARE READY SO THEY EXHIBIT.

SO THEY EXHIBIT PREMATURELY AND THEY THINK THEY ARE OFF AND RUNNING.

WHEN THEY HAVEN'T LEARNED THE ACTUAL FUNDAMENTALS OF THEIR OWN CRAFT.

IT IS A THROW AWAY.

YOU KNOW, THE INSTANT, THE INSTANT COPY, THE INSTANT SUCCESS.

THE PACKAGE THE EYE APPEAL.

YOU GO AROUND CHRISTMAS TIME.

YOU BUY SOMETHING THAT HAS SOMETHING THAT RESEMBLES A TOY.

THERE IS MORE MONEY IN THE PACKAGE THAN THERE IS IN THE TOY.

IT IS THE EYE APPEAL THAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU ARE GETTING A LOT.

WHEN YOU THROW THE BOX AWAY YOU AREN'T GETTING A LOT.

>> HE WAS A POTTER.

AND HE WANTED TO LEARN HOW TO BLOW GLASS AND HE CAME TO THE SHOP AND ASKED NICK ABOUT THE NORM LA AND HE WANTED TO KNOW HOW TO BUILD A FURNACE AND DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE TERMINOLOGY.

HE SAID I COULD CARE LEZ ABOUT THE TERMINOLOGY.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO ASK FOR WHEN I BUY IT.

SO NICK TURNED HIM ONTO ME.

I TOOK HIM THROUGH THE STUDIO.

I ASKED HIM WHY DO YOU WANT TO LEARN HOW TO BLOW GLASS?

HIS ANSWER TO ME WAS MOST REVEALING.

HE SAID I WANT TO LEARN BECAUSE MY CUSTOMERS ARE WAITING.

>> HOW QUICK DO YOU GET TO BLOWING GLASS BECAUSE HE HASN'T LEARNED ANYTHING YET.

HOW CAN YOU TALK TO SOMEBODY OR ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE TERMINOLOGY.

HE SAID THAT IS NOT IMPORTANT THAT IS ONLY A MEANS OF COMMUNICATION.

BUT, I GUESS YOU CAN GET OLD AND THINK THAT PEOPLE OUT TO THINK LIKE YOU DO AND NOT -- IT IS EASIER FOR ME TO THINK THAT THEY OUT TO THINK LIKE I DO AND FOR ME NOT TO THINK LIKE THEY DO.

>> EVERY TIME A SEE -- I THINK OF MY FATHER.

ON RAINY DAYS WHEN WE COULDN'T BE DOING WORK OUTDOORS, WHEN WE WERE TEARING DOWN A BUILDING, WE WERE TO TAKE THE NAILS OUT.

HE WOULD USE THEM OVER AGAIN.

WE WOULD STRAIGHTEN THEM OUT TO USE THEM OVER AGAIN.

TO THIS DAY, I THINK OF IT AGAIN.

IF DAD WERE AROUND WE WOULD STRAIGHTEN THEM WHEN WE COULDN'T WORK OUTDOORS.

THIS IS AN OLD FAMILY PICTURE.

THAT IS MY MOTHER THERE.

AND THIS IS ME HERE.

>> THAT'S ME.

THIS IS MARY AND THIS IS UNCLE PETE AND THIS IS MY FATHER BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO SHE IS.

GOD MOTHER.

HERE WE ARE.

THIS IS THE OLD WOODEN TROUGH.

IT WAS A WHOLE STREAM AND IT WENT TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND DAD FIXED UP THE THING SO THAT YOU COULD CATCH THE WATER AND THE WATER WOULD RUN OUT AND YOU COULD CHANGE THE WATER.

SHE PULLED ME UP AND TURNED ME UP SIDE DOWN.

SHE SPANKED ME GOOD AND I WELL, YOU DO THAT SOONER OR LATER.

SINCE 1922 I WAS 12 YEARS OLD.

I WOULD CONSENTED TO HAVE MY APPENDIX OUT IF I COULD HAVE A PONY.

AND THAT WAS A BIG MISTAKE.

WE HAD A GROCERY STORE AND THAT MEANT THAT I DELIVERED GROCERIES.

BEFORE GOING TO SCHOOL WE WOULD GO TO THE COAL MINES AND HOMES AND TAKE AN ORDER.

AFTER SCHOOL MY MOTHER WOULD GET IT READY AND AFTER SCHOOL WE WOULD DELIVER IT.

♪♪ >> THIS KIND OF INSTRUMENT IS THE INVENTION OF BENJAMIN FRANKLIN WHEN HE WAS IN ENGLAND IN 1762 HE SAW PEOPLE PLAYING BY RUBBING THE RIMS OF GOBLETS FILLED TO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF WATE AND HE DIDN'T LIKE THAT IDEA.

HE HAD A GLASS COMPANY MAKE THE BELLS.

AND HE HAD A PEDAL AND A FLY WHEEL AND AS THE SHAFT TURNED YOUMOISTENED THE BELLS AND YOU MOISTENED YOUR FINGERS AND YOU STROKED THE SIDE OF THE BELLS LIKE THIS.

THE BOSTON MUSEUM HAD AN INSTRUMENT.

AND SEE THEY ASKED HIM TO DO THE RESEARCH AND MAKE THE BELLS TO THE REPLACE THE ONES ON THEIR OLD INSTRUMENTS AND HE DECIDED TO MAKE AN INSTRUMENT FOR US.

AND THIS IS IT.

HE PUT A MOTOR ON IT.

BECAUSE HE REALIZED THAT BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, HE HAD WHAT HE CALLED ELECTRICAL OPINIONS WHICH EVERYBODY KNOWS.

SO NICK PUT A MOTOR ON THIS ONE.

♪♪ ♪♪ >> THIS I DID WHEN I WAS 19.

WESTINGHOUSE HAD AN ARTICLE IN THE SUNDAY PAPER AND SHOWED A MOTOR ABOUT THIS SIZE.

AND IT SAID THE WORLD'S SMALLEST MOTOR AND I SAID I CAN MAKE A SMALLER ONE THAN THAT.

IT TOOK 400 FEET OF PHONE LINE.

YOU MOUNT IT ON THIS BLOCK HERE.

AND YOU FASTEN THE WIRES TO IT.

SO YOU CAN HOOK ON HERE.

AND YOU USE A TERMINAL OTHERWISE IT COUNT SIT STILL.

THIS IS A MOTOR HERE.

ELECTRIC MOTORS WAS ALWAYS MY HOP HOBBY.

I CAN MAKE A MOTOR OUT OF THESE PAPER CLIPS.

YOU TAKE ONE OF THE PROFESSORS ASKED ME TO DEMONSTRATE MY PAPER CLIP MOTOR TO THE ENGINEERS AND I DID.

BUT THE MOTOR I LIKED THE BEST WAS THIS SELF STARTING AND THERE IS NO WIRE ON THE AR MI TOUR AT ALL.

YOU EVER SEEN ONE LIKE THIS DALE?

YOU WILL LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FOOL AROUND SEE.

IT IS AN INDUCTION MOTOR.

IT RUNS ON AC ONLY AND THERE IS NO BRUSHES.

>> WHAT IS IT MADE OF?

>> A TIN CAN AND IT IS SHADED POLL MOTOR.

THESE ARE COPPER THINGS WHICH CHANGES THE FACE RELATIONS AND MAKES ITSELF STARTING.

>> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS TO YOU LOOK AT THAT.

THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A MOTOR.

>> NO.

BUT IT IS.

IT DIDN'T WHAT YOU WOULD RUN A WASHING MACHINE WITH.

>> NO.

IT DEMONSTRATES A PRINCIPLE.

>> IT IS ALWAYS CHANGES DID YOU NOTICE THAT?

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN PUSH THIS GLASS AROUND.

I HAVE BEEN BLOWING GLASS WITH THE DOOR OPEN AND LOOK OUT HERE AND SEE TWO OR THREE DEER BETWEEN THESE TWO PONDS WHERE THOSE TWO DOGS ARE NOW.

IT IS A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT.

YOU COULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN THE CITY.

FOR THAT REASON WE LIKE THE COUNTRY.

AND WE'VE BEEN OFFERED PLACES TO GO TO AND NEW ENGLAND STATE.

WE'RE HAPPY HERE.

WITH ALL OF THE THINGS I'VE ACCUMULATED I'M NOT ABOUT TO PULL STAKES AND REGARDLESS OF HOW ATTRACTIVE THAT SOMETHING SOUNDS THIS IS THE LARGEST CRAFT CENTER IN THE UNITED STATES.

WE ARE GOING GET THEM FROM ENGLAND.

THAT DOESN'T APPEAL TO ME.

I LIKE IT HERE.

WE LIKE THE PEOPLE AROUND.

THEY ARE COMMON AND IT IS JUST A NICE PLACE TO LOVE.

IS STEWART GOING IN THE WATER?

LITTLE PUPPY WILL SAY WHAT THOSE FOOLISH DOGS CAN DO.

ELI WILL BE GOING IN NEXT.

YOU CAN SEE THAT EVEN THE DOGS LIKE IT HERE.

THEY LIKE TO RUN.

WE'VE UP ABOUT 7:00 IN THE MORNING OR LIBBY USUALLY EARLIER.

I HAVE BREAKFAST AT 7:00 AND I'M OUT HERE AT 7:30 AND THEN WE WORK UNTIL NOON AND THEN WE HAVE LUNCHES AND THEN IF NOBODY AOUT HERE WITH A CAMERA THEN A HAVE A NAP AND THEN I WORK UNTIL 6:00 AND THEN WE HAVE DINNER AND FROM THERE' HAVE A LITTLE REST AND WATCH THE NEWS AND COME OUT HERE AT 7:30 AND I USED TO WORK UNTIL 11:00.

VERY SELDOM WOULD I GET IN BEFORE 11:00.

RECENTLY I CUT DOWN UNTIL 9:00 TO 10:00 AT NIGHT.

I TELL PEOPLE A WORK THREE SHIFTS A DAY.

WHICH IS TRUE.

BUT I DON'T WORK NEAR AS HARD AS EDISON USED TO.

HE SLEPT FOUR OR FIVE HOURS A NIGHT.

I LIKE MY REST.

>> I THINK MY FIRST LOVE IS A BLACKSMITH SHOP.

I LEARNED HOW TO GET INTO THE FIVE LONG BEFORE I WAS 16 YEARS OLD.

>> I HAVE PUT SHOES ON MULES WHEN I WORKED AT THE COAL MINE.

BUT THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT BLACKSMITHING THAT APPEALS TO ANY BOY I THINK.

THE BLACKSMITH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE HERO.

HE HAS BEEN RAPIDLY DISAPPEARING NOW.

HE HELPED MAKE THIS COUNTRY BY MAKING THING THAT IS YOU COULD PT BUY AND DOING ALL THE REPAIR WORK AND FOR ALL THE FARMERS AND SHOEING ALL THE FARMERS.

IT WAS HARD WORK BUT NOT APPRECIATED AS MUCH AS I THINK HE SHOULD BE.

DO YOU LIBBY?

>> SO YOU DON'T GET A HIT EVERY TIME YOU GO TO BAT YOU KNOW.

AND THE ARCHITECTS ALWAYS HAVE SOME INFLUENCE OF WHAT GOES INTO THE BUILDING.

AND THERE THEY, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A RECTANGULAR THING.

BUT THE ARCHITECTS HAVE THE BUILDING.

THEY HAVE THE BUILDING DESIGNED AND CIRCLED AND SEGMENTS AND TANGENTS AND SO THEY WANT SOMETHING ROUND SO I HAVE TO MAKE SOMETHING ROUND.

YOU DON'T ALWAYS MAKE WHAT YOU WANT AND THAT IS BAD.

SO THE CHALLENGE IS WHAT YOU PUT IN SOMETHING ROUND.

THAT IS ART ISN'T IT?

WHAT YOU SEE.

>> WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT'S THERE.

AND SINCE IT IS ABSTRACT, THEN, THAT IS AN REASONABLE INTERPRETATION.

ONE OF THE GUYS AT THE MUSEUM SAYS THERE ARE 33 PANELS TO STAND FOR THE 33 YEARS THAT CHRIST LIVED.

NO CONNECTION.

NOTHING AT ALL.

SEE HOW STORIES GET OUT?

>> AS HUMAN BEINGS WE ALL WANT TO GIVE MEANING TO EVERYTHING.

WHICH MOST OF US HAVE NOT LEARNED TO EXPRESS.

>> SO EXPRESS IT IN SMALL DOSES.

AND THROUGH OTHERS.

♪♪ GLASS IS ACCORDING TO LEGEND WAS ACCIDENTALLY DISCOVERED BY THOSE WHO WERE BUILDING A CAMP FIRE ON THE SHORES OF MEDITERRANEAN WHO CAUSED SAND TO BE FUSED BY HEAT.

IT REMAINED ONE OF THE MOST ANCIENT MATERIALS WHICH CONTINUED TO BE USED BY MAN.

IT'S BRILLIANCE AND CAPACITY TO BE SHAPED AND COLORED HAS INTRIGUED BOTH ARTISTS AND SCIENTISTS.

♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ THE PRECEDING PROGRAM WAS PRODUCED AT WBGU TV BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY.